TRANSCRIPT: Meeting 4, Session 10

Public Comment

Date

March 1, 2011

Location

Washington, D.C.

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DR. GUTMANN:
And to maximize the time for anybody in the audience to make a comment, raise a question, we are going to not break and move right into public comments. And so there is a roving microphone. Somebody — Who has the microphone? Can I see who has the microphone? Okay. So people don’t have to crawl over each other.
 
And if you would keep your comments brief, I would be very appreciative. Because if you don’t, I’m afraid I have to make time for others. Just give us one moment, please.
 
We have been timing, keeping all of our speakers to time, too. And that is the apparatus.
 
MS. BONHAM:
If I can clarify. We had a number of people who asked to speak and we had a public sign-in at the front table as we communicated throughout the past few weeks with people who asked to speak.
 
Consequently to all of you wonderful people in line, I am sorry to say I am going to go in order of this list. So everybody could actually just sit down please and I will call the list and I will bring this to you. Okay? Thank you so much.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Please, Val, start. And I would ask each person after Val calls you and you come up, if you could just introduce yourself to us, we would be very appreciative of that. Thank you.
 
MS. BONHAM:
Wonderful. So the first person I have is Michael S. Perfect. Thank you so much.
 
MR. SHANEYFELT:
My name is Michael Shaneyfelt. I am from Birmingham, Alabama. The question that I brought to the Board is that in 2000 I was approached by a Navy sub diver and he brought to my attention the use of an auditory weapon that he stole from the United States Navy. He told me about this weapon that he stole from the Navy and he told me how the weapon would affect the central nervous system of a human. And he wanted me to go out and assist him in certain things.
 
And in 2006, my life changed. I woke up one day and I got a strong electrical shock in the center of my chest. From that, I started to have problems with my heart. I started having bigeminies, irregular rhythms. I went into the hospital. The doctors determined that I was getting an electrical shock through my chest.
 
Then I went in and had an operation done, an ablation. And with all this, it just keeps going on. From then it went to my lungs and then from there it went to my kidneys. From there it went to my bladder. From there it went to my colon and it keeps going on and on and on.
 
Medically I have been looked at and reviewed over and over and over again. My brother, he is a doctor. My sister, she is a nurse. My nephew is a nurse. And I have got people that have talked to me about medical situations and medical views. And I know exactly what is occurring is wrong and I feel like I am a test subject. And I have responded to the government and the government responded back to me but I have not seen no action.
 
I have given you all a report and you all can look at the letters that I have sent in.
 
MR. SCHATZ:
Thank you. My name is Gerald Schatz and I am a lawyer and retired professor, Assistant Professor of Ethics and Law at Michigan State University. I want to address two things very quickly.
 
One is the theme of vulnerability and its recognition. We have gone from an era of very reflective and I think very decent recognition of the moral obligations of researchers to an era of discussion of regulatory burden. I think that is unseemly.
 
The second point is that there is law out there. The bioethics community has been oblivious to it but there is international law. There is the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights the United States ratified in 1992 and it makes informed consent an absolute requirement, no exceptions, not even in emergencies, subject to those normal legal fictions of consenting for the incapacitated patient to medical care and so forth.
 
Additionally, the Geneva Conventions and additional protocols to the Geneva Conventions make research very, very difficult or prohibited altogether for those individuals who are caught up in the war and armed conflicts.
 
Michigan State University faculty responded to the OHRP request for comment in 2005 on equivalent protections. I will be pleased to provide that comment and those citations and some additional materials to the Commission. Thank you.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
MR. RYAN:
Thank you very much. My name is Cina Ryan. I am an American. I have been living here since 1976.
 
To answer the question the chair lady that is it still going to happen or is it still going on, I will assure you that there is still experimentation going on and one of live is standing right here.
 
I strongly believe that I have been targeted for the experimentation of brain research since September 2008, without my consent. They are controlling my mind and using electronic remote control device to send instruction. In the past two and a half years, I have been subjected to constant electric shock, a sleep disturbance, a sleep deprivation, short breaths, severe localized pain into various parts of my body, telephone and bell rings in my ears, heat waves through my body, horrifying dreams, creating sudden fear and worries in my mind.
 
They do these mostly when I am inside my apartment but sometimes all this happens, some of this happens when I am outside without I am seeing anybody or any device. This experimentation are done to me without any touch or anything or see anybody.
 
This inhuman and painful method of torture include reading my thoughts and memories. To this, they have been able to control me and subject me to severe pain that I have been suffering for the past 29 months. My health has deteriorated during this time and I have no medical insurance to significant help. My life is in danger and I need your help from the government. And I am only asking them to stop this painful torture and leave me alone so I can go back to my life. Thank you.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
STAFFER:
Dr. John Hall.
 
DR. HALL:
My name is Dr. John Hall. I am a medical doctor from Texas. As I understand the memorandum from the President, it is for you to determine if current legislation is adequate in protecting individuals and if there is any ongoing experimentation.
 
In reviewing the Common Rule, it is very obvious that there is a lot of loop holes to informed consent. All of the horrific experiments you have mentioned, Willowbrook, MKULTRA, radiation experiments, mostly were done without informed consent. They were funded by the DoD and intelligence agencies where I am not even so sure you would know if there is an IRB, much less if an IRB is looking at informed consent.
 
As a physician, relative to some of what you are hearing today, in the community we are seeing an alarming rate of complaints of use of electromagnetic weapons. Microwave auditory effects, silent sound spectrum, EEG cloning, which has taken the lab out of the laboratory and into the home. Most of these from the research that we have reviewed can be done remotely. It seems to be more weapons research than medical research.
 
I personally corresponded with upwards of 1500 victims all complaining of identical complaints from every state in the nation of being exposed to electromagnetic radiation, non-ionizing radiation for the use of cognitive control or behavior control.
 
I submitted a paper to you and there is another paper submitted to each member from another physician in Kansas City alluding to the same thing.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
STAFFER:
Ms. Millicent Black.
 
MS. BLACK:
My name is Millicent Black. I am from Tennessee, possibly a transgenerational person whose family members have been used for at least three generations and I am the second one. My Dad possibly was the first one who was admitted to a Nashville Hospital with a pineal gland tumor left there with a plate in the back of his head, not the front of his head where his pineal gland would have been.
 
At his death, I sought — Well actually before his death I sought legal counsel for some horrendous treatment he had received at a nursing home that was also partnering with that hospital in Nashville, only to find out that a judge told the attorneys to drop that case.
 
I am a part of the group that is here today representing those who are receiving the electromagnetic torture and even my daughter at five months old was referred to that same Nashville Hospital after having been refused treatment at the local hospital. I believe she is also a victim of the electromagnetic torture. Where does this stop? When are we re-given our rights as humans and as citizens? Does being African Americans qualify us as non-Black or non-White, and non-American citizens or non-American people? We seem to have a double blind going.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
STAFFER:
Mr. Marshall? Mrs. Marshall.
 
MS. MARSHALL:
Good afternoon. My name is Connie Marshall. I am a former mayoral candidate from Louisville, Kentucky. I have never been involved in any criminal activity. I found a document in my bank account that said problem with Kentucky government. Check federal government paperwork in file before releasing information to anyone.
 
I am an eight year victim survivor of assaults by directed energy weapons. The torture I have experienced consists of body overheating, body extremely cold, seizures, heart pain, earaches, itching behind eyes, burning behind eyes, swelling, headaches, involuntary movement of my limbs, exhaustion, speeding and heart racing, hair coming out by the handfuls as if I have had chemotherapy, mind paralysis, being hypnotized or being placed in a trance-type state, being tracked by a drone or satellite, controlled dreams, sleep deprivation, V2K which is voice to skull, projected sound, extreme muscle spasms and extreme muscle cramps; being made to fall down; blue circles around the pupils of my eyes and I am here and you can look at them if you like; low frequency noises in my home; high frequency noises in my home; sexual stimulation. Numerous electrical appliances in my home are destroyed; four computers, two fax machines, seven telephones, four CD players, VCR, DVD players, the electrical igniter switch on my furnace, washer and dryer, air conditioner. Also my car radio, CD player and engine were destroyed. I am watched in my home 24 hours a day and followed around everywhere I go, though I do not have a criminal history.
 
When I ran for Mayor of my town, I was also attacked at debates and forums. My website is www.justiceforallcitizens.com. Thank you. And I would like to leave you with these flyers as well. Thank you.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
STAFFER:
Mr. Allen Hornblum.
 
MR. HORNBLUM:
My name is Allen Hornblum. I am a Philadelphia-based author who has written books on things running the gambit from organized crime to Soviet espionage. But for the purposes of this meeting, I have written two books on the history of using prison inmates as test subjects. You may be familiar with one or both of them.
 
I am working with a couple colleagues now on the history of using institutionalized children as test subjects for research. And I can assure you some of the material I am finding is quite astounding, including the fact that Nobel Prize winners went to institutions for the feeble minded to use them as test subjects.
 
And in interviewing people over the years, not just test subjects which I do on a regular basis, but also the doctors who initiated these experiments, these clinical trials. I am talking about people like Albert Kligman and Hilary Koprowski, Chester Southam, some of the top researchers of the twentieth century, most of them are famous but some are infamous. It is remarkable that almost all of them articulate how little medical ethics was taught in medical schools at the time. And I had to bring up, I had to educate one of them, in fact, about the Nuremberg Code. When I mentioned it, he wasn’t even familiar with it.
 
These problems with regard to medical ethics are still there. I periodically give talks at Universities in med schools and it is stunning to me that when I go into a book store at the university and go in, maybe I will see one of my books there. Of course I am a little bit disturbed when they don’t, but I also don’t see anything by Harriet Washington or by James Jones, Bad Blood, or by Jonathan Moreno’s book. Medical ethics is an orphan in today’s medical arena. It is out there in left field. They really deemphasize it and that is part of the continuing problem.
 
The doctors, as Dan said earlier when they do these studies, it is a cost benefit analysis and there is much more benefit to doing research, even when it breaks rules and laws and cuts corners than by following the rules. And that is why I believe the Commission has to make a very strong condemnation of Dr. Cutler and the institutions and doctors that he worked with, not just with regard to Tuskegee and Guatemala but there are so many other incidents and events out there.
 
As Susan said, we will continue to discover these. There will be another commission like yours in ten years going over what you didn’t look at or what you didn’t do. So I would encourage you to be as aggressive as possible, not just describe what happened but really condemn those who broke the law because there are doctors making decisions right now and those decisions are going the wrong way. Thank you.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
STAFFER:
Ms. Debra Poulson or Debra Paulson.
 
MS. POULSEN
Hi, I am Debra Poulsen from Kenosha, Wisconsin.
 
I am going to refer to a paper from Professor McCoy at the University of Wisconsin on no-touch torture. He talks about a total assault on all senses and sensibilities, auditory, visual, tactile, temporal, temperature, and survival, refined through years of practice. Sensory disorientation relies on a mix of sensory overload and sensory deprivation via banal procedures, isolation, by intense interrogation, heat and cold, light and dark, noise and silence or a systematic attack on all human stimuli.
 
I have been a human subject for experimentation for almost two years and I stand with, I have contacted Dr. Hall, I stand with a very large group. Excuse me I am very nervous but I am very tired of having my rights taken away. And thank you for hearing me and thank you for the others. I would like some help. Thank you.
 
[Audience Applause]
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
STAFFER:
Ms. Lisa Becker.
 
MS. BECKER:
Thank you. My name is Lisa Becker. I am also from Wisconsin. I have been a non-consenting test subject in military medical research. I, too, believe my experience is referred to as no-touch torture, utilize defense technologies.
 
Jonathan Moreno, he basically predicted all this a number of years ago in his book Undue Risk.
 
I am asking you to help initiate a congressional investigation. We have all come a long way. This is what is needed. We want to have the accounts of this extreme human rights abuse that is going on in our country documented and heard, all of the accounts.
 
We also need what was done during the Clinton administration, which is a major declassification of some of these documents that are hiding what has been going on.
 
I speak for many when I say we have suffered long enough. My personal experience has been ten years. I have been vilified. I have been tortured. I have burns on my body. I am an American. I have rights.
 
The answer to the question, the big question today, could it happen today, the answer is yes. It is happening today. It is happening for some of us every day.
 
I am begging for you to help us. Thank you.
 
[Audience Applause]
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
STAFFER:
Mr. James Wollet — Walbert.
 
MR. WOLLET:
My name is James Wollet. To date, I have one of the strongest cases documented of these unethical violations against our society.
 
Due to the facts of having the kinds of professionals that I have involved with this case, I have been able to prove that this crime against others and myself is real and shows reason to be concerned with.
 
I am in hopes that I am able to prove the same thing to this committee and by the introduction of the evidence that I have to introduce to the committee, I and the professionals that are standing with myself in this crime, would like for this committee to consider the introduction of these documents with the growing concern of this crime to the President for his review.
 
With these hopes in mind for this consideration, I would also like to ask of this committee to consider an investigation into these unethical violations of others and myself that are affected by this crime.
 
With this consideration of this investigation I request into these matters, I would also like to point out the abuses of children that have been documented by the many professionals that I am currently working with into these matters of this crime. To date, the professionals have been documenting these offenses against the children that are related to the many victims of these crimes. They have proven this concern to be valid as I am pointing out to this committee. The growing concern of fellow states that have now passed laws against forced chipping of an RFID tracking chip. These states have now passed such bills into law. Colorado House Bill 071082; North Dakota Senate Bill 2415; Oklahoma State Senate Bill 47, House Bill 072092; Missouri House Bill 550; Pennsylvania Bill; Georgia Senate Bill 235; and the list just goes on.
 
I was also wanting to ask if I could provide a portfolio of introduction of 12 professionals from political support to medical investigations, as well as private investigative support to committee as well for review.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
You may. Thank you very much.
 
MR. WOLLET:
Thank you.
 
[Audience Applause]
 
STAFFER:
Mr. Peter Rosen.
 
MR. ROSENHOLM:
Hi, I am Peter Rosenholm. I am from Rhode Island. Like all the others, we go through this every day, at least 14 years now of being tortured. It is nonconsensual human experimentation. It is remote. It is covert. It is hard to prove it a lot of times. Many of my attacks were microwave weapons, MEDUSA is one.
 
In all the hospital statements when I was hospitalized, I told of being hit by radiation weapons, that I could hear voices. MEDUSA now admits to all those capabilities.
 
I am also in the Naval War Colleges Congressional District and I have got falsely diagnosed, drugged. I have pretty much proven all that wrong. I am off all the medication but I am still tortured. It goes on every day and it goes on every day for all of these people. What I would like is for us to have a participation on your committee for someone from our group to actually participate. I am wondering if that is possible because we are the victims. We are like the Guatemalans who were tortured. Is there a chance that that can happen? Did you hear me?
 
DR. GUTMANN:
You are —
 
MR. ROSENHOLM:
Is there a chance that a group or an individual from us can be on the committee?
 
DR. GUTMANN:
We are constituted by the President as a Commission and we have public comment and you can write us and we will read everything you give us.
 
MR. ROSENHOLM:
Right.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
It is the President who — President Obama appoints the Commission.
 
MR. ROSENHOLM:
The other thing we deal with is like a COINTELPRO attack. Law enforcement attacks us, discredits us, will put us in a mental hospital if we try too hard. These people all don’t want to go to doctors. The Patriot Act has provisions what doctors have to follow what they say. So all of these people aren’t getting their teeth fixed, aren’t going for medical care. We are in a bad situation.
 
Thank you.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
STAFFER:
Mr. Kenneth Rhoads or Rhands. Mr. Kenneth Rhoads.
 
(No response.)
 
STAFFER
Ms. Letitia Peters.
 
MS. PETERS:
Madame Chair, members of the Bioethics Committee, my name is Letitia Peters and I am from Trenton, New Jersey. I was a federal government employee working 16 years as an electronics engineer right here in Washington, D.C. where I got sick due to toxic metal exposure. And when I started complaining about it and using my rights, I believe now after five years of being out of the government, after 16 years of service, that I was put into this 24/7 execution chamber. And I, too, am looking for congressional investigations. I should be covered under the Whistle Protection Blowers Act and I, too, would like to submit documentation which I presented.
 
And I have been denied medical treatment. I have been disregarded as being nonhuman. All my rights have been violated. My parents and I are living together now in Trenton, New Jersey, and there are low-flying aircrafts dropping biological weapons over our houses every day in order to try to kill me. And I just want to demonstrate some of the evidence that I have and provide to you because I have been trying to get to the President but I know all of my information has been rerouted.
 
So I, too, am requesting a congressional investigation as well. And may I present this information to you?
 
DR. GUTMANN:
You may. Thank you very much.
 
STAFFER:
Ms. Tammy Battaglia.
 
MS. BATTAGLIA
Hi, my name is Tammy Battaglia. I have been enrolled in psychological experiments on the record since the age of 13 without my consent.
 
I have spent many years recovering from experimental hypnosis, physical and biological testing that I have undergone during decades of tests conducted by government-funded doctors, corporate think tanks and researchers.
 
I have experienced tremendous loss and trauma over the years of subjection to nonconsensual experimentation, which has been devastating to my life. The people conducting experiments on other human beings do not consider the horribly destructive ramifications that they are subjecting victims to. As a result, there is no rehabilitation after experiments. No consideration is given to the often severe, psychological and physical trauma suffered by nonconsensual tests subjects almost continuously.
 
Many victims such as myself are diagnosed with nonexistent mental illnesses and as a result, we are expected to take dangerous medications that we do not need. There is no way to seek justice for what we have endured because in America, the land of the free, justice is not free.
 
The experiments violate every right imaginable and offer no restitution whatsoever. If myself or any other victim approaches law enforcement or government agencies, we are spurned and in some cases forcibly taken to mental institutions. I have not consented to be experimented on by any branch of the government, military, or members of the American Medical Association.
 
The initial experiments unfolded from decisions that were made for me when I was a child at a time when I was unable to understand what I was being volunteered for or what the consequences would be. I deserve to be vindicated and released from these experiments immediately, as do all of us. Thank you.
 
[Audience Applause]
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
STAFFER:
Ms. Rose Gapinski.
 
MS. GAPINSKI:
Amy, I love your question of us to try to figure out what the big problem is, to really analyze and get to the root of it. And I thought at first it was containment, which leads to things like false flags to confuse people. It leads to harassing people to discredit them or disable them, the TIs that is, the victims. It leads to possible corruption, secrecy, possible fear of going to prison on the part of the people that are executing these things.
 
And then I realized underneath the containment, the secrecy-containment umbrella, is a really glaring inability of the U.S. to ever apologize for anything. To be able to say I am sorry, the rest of the world is waiting for us to say I’m sorry or I admit to something. I have flaws. Everyone does. And contrary to the Pentagon myth that you should not do that to be strong, contrary to that myth, it makes a person stronger. Therefore, it will also make a country stronger. Other countries would very much appreciate it.
 
Say, you know, I’m sorry, two seconds of silence and then we can go on with life.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
[Audience Applause]
 
STAFFER:
Mr. Jeremy Radlow.
 
MR. RADLAR:
My name is Jeremy Radlar. I am here to tell you that nonconsensual human experimentation is happening in the United States today. I have been the subject of this experimentation for more than five years.
 
Calling these activities experimentation is truthful but possibly distracting. I think the criteria governing the selection of experimentees will prove to be a much bigger scandal than the experimentation itself.
 
The psychological torture protocol that is part of the so-called experimentation includes, but is not limited to, the use of non-lethal weapons and mind-invasive technology. Sleep deprivation, pain center stimulation, and worse are used against subjects.
 
While some experimentees have found foreign objects in their bodies suggesting implantation, most have not. Receiverless mind-invasive technology has been demonstrated under laboratory conditions but the most likely explanation is that experimentees are implanted with foreign objects either too small to appear on commercially available scanning equipment or designed to be indistinguishable from the surrounding tissue. These activities are highly deceptive, use clandestine technology, and have the fingerprints of the CIA all over them.
 
It is unreasonable to expect isolated individuals receiving this treatment to furnish proof. A thorough investigation is warranted. Thanks for your time.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you very much.
 
[Audience Applause]
 
STAFFER:
Ms. Kathryn Nestor.
 
MS. NESTOR:
My name is Kathryn Nestor and I am from Pennsylvania.
 
This Commission has spoken of a long history of abuse of the human research subject. Although no one mentioned MKULTRA today, President Clinton recently apologized for this.
 
My young child and I have been used as nonconsensual test subjects. We have been subjected to COINTELPRO‑like stalking, remote neuromonitoring and electromagnetic torture, resulting in psychological and physical damage. And I won’t go into the details of that because I have four pages written in here. It is very similar to Connie’s testimony.
 
Please do not wait 70 years to investigate this. I ask Dr. Amy Gutmann to begin today. There is new work for the Commission for human subject protection on our shores. And please give us a dramatic response, Susan. And please give us a congressional hearing. Thank you.
 
[Audience Applause]
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you.
 
STAFFER:
Ms. Miriam Snyder.
 
MS. SNYDER:
Hello. My name is Miriam Snyder. I am an educator, minister, human rights advocate. I work with many people that have suffered the ramifications of unregulated deadly human research experimentation. Since I have brought this to the public, I have become a victim, too. In fact in the past I was. I have three questions I would like the Commission to answer and then I would like to submit some recommendations so that we do not have to go through this type of forum of listening, listening, and then we have to rush this serious assassination program. Human research experimentation is being used to assassinate innocent people and I think it is time that it takes much more than two minutes to rush up. I resent it. I spent my time. I listened and I ask that you listen.
 
Foremost, since Guatemala and Tuskegee experiments, it is understood that human research experimentation via particularly injections on innocent people is understood that these things are going on. I would like the Commission to address what is being done to stop the continuance of non-verifiable injections being used on people.
 
I would like to know, the Commission to address, what penalties and protections are in place for researchers. The incarceration of researchers who create deadly weapons and viruses. What is going to be done to stop the deadly created manmade viruses getting out the laboratory to human bodies? And when are we going to start incarcerating researchers? All right?
 
Number three. Who supervises energy technology, specifically electronic torture? That is a major issue. Just hold on. I waited two days. Electronic torture. All these people are here talking about they are being tortured. They are in a slow-kill program via radiation. The cleft lip babies are coming out through radiation programs. The studies show it. I have submitted documentation. We have cleft lip babies because of unregulated radiation studies. What is going to be done to stop this?
 
These people are suffering because of unregulated radiation studies, human research experiments. And the funding is immense and people are dying. What is going to be done to stop it? Okay.
 
With respect to neuroimaging, I found a tremendous amount of research regarding injection-induced seizures. Why is human research allowing experiments that allow injection-induced seizures and through electronic technology?
 
Now my recommendation. I would hope that this committee could launch a specific committee to address these issues with human rights experts, genocide specialists, people who have studied mass murders; that it is understood that these things do happen through genocide and I can give you a list of people that have documentaries on this; and to investigate the citizen complaints regarding mind control weapons, in particular energy technology via satellite; induced seizures via satellite; microwave auditory effect weapon; all government-sponsored psychological operations; microchipping through injections.
 
Above all, we seek the creation of a means for injections to be verified before entering the human body and prosecution for anyone using these deadly tactics to harm the people. And we seek compensation for all the victims who have filed affidavit after affidavit documenting the atrocities involved with unregulated and deadly human research experimentation that they have suffered as a direct result of these criminal human research and the whistle blowers who have exposed this.
 
Thank you very much and please have a forum where we don’t have to do this rush up. I waited two days and I don’t like being rushed like this, I really don’t. Thank you.
 
[Audience Applause]
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you very much.
 
STAFFER:
Mr. Nigel Nicholson.
 
MR. NICHOLSON:
Hi, good evening. My name is Nigel Nicholson and I have been in a psychological coercive mind control program. This started in 2002 when I was falsely arrested, I was drugged, and I believe I was hypnotized. Soon after that, I was being harassed by the police department, along with noise campaign that was being committed by the New York City Fire Department. I mean, for a whole year, every time I left my house, I was bombarded with noise which led me to have a psychological breakdown. I have been job mobbed. I have been put into what I call an assassination-type program. I have been villainized. My friends have totally retreated from me, even though I have continuously reached out to them.
 
I have been under what I believe is neuromonitoring. When I can think of something and go outside and somebody will walk by me and repeat what I just said, I know I am not crazy. Okay? Regardless of what is being said, they made the victims of these programs to be diagnosed with a psychological illness to hide these crimes because we all know that to discredit an individual, if you give them a mental illness or diagnose them with a mental illness, no one is going to believe us. No one is going to believe you or I and this is how they are hiding these crimes.
 
[Audience Applause]
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you, sir.
 
STAFFER:
Ms. Micheline Jones.
 
MS. JONES:
Hello, my name is Micheline Jones. I am right here from D.C. I live in public housing and I mention that because this where most of the poor people are at, especially these days with the way the economy is going.
 
I am the subject of MKULTRA mind control. I am also the subject of electromagnetic radiation and I have many videos to prove it. I have taken these videos to newspapers and to various places even including what is that CDC and everyone has just turned away as if this is hush-hush. I have had lawyers deny me assistance because they said this is too big.
 
So in research I found out that the former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney asked for reinvestigation under her resolution H.R. 1026 to reinvestigate COINTEL activities. I am constantly stalked. There is many covert activities that have followed me. Sleep deprivation, I don’t have that too much now because I force myself, clocks, radios, too much liquids at night, whatever, just to get up and get out of the house.
 
I have asked public housing from the executive director all the way down to fair hearing which is still pending right now to get me out of this place but now I am beginning to wonder would it do any good. I have relocated three or four times and I had a deputy officer or a county officer tell me this will follow you. So when they pick their subjects, this goes with you.
 
I would like all of this medical abuse to be investigated and, if possible, for you to get back with us. I didn’t know about this meeting until yesterday and I do appreciate you letting me have this time to speak. Thank you.
 
DR. GUTMANN:
Thank you, Ms. Jones.
 
STAFFER:
Mr. Timothy White.
 
MR. WHITE:
I would like to thank the Commission for allowing the public to address these issues. And it has been a lot of information and it has been very good and enlightening. And I see I am in the right place to provide the information I have.
 
And yes, the Tuskegee experiments are still going on and the Guatemala experiments are still going on. But they are going on because of the advances in the signals technology and in cognitive neurological technology and neurophysiological experimentation in research and advances in that technology is allowing these things to happen and creating a new class of vulnerabilities for citizens who cannot protect themselves against this.
 
We provide citizens who are currently nonconsensual victims of cognitive neuroscience in neurophysiological research and experimentation which is enabled remotely through extremely low frequency computer to brain entrainment technology — This technology exists and can be verified on subjects with a high degree of accuracy, using current neuroimaging technologies.
 
Okay, this is an atrocity that has gone on for years. And like the Tuskegee experiments, it is clearly within the scope of this Commission. If there is any doubt as to the validity of these claims then this Commission can conduct its own independent investigation by using functional brain imaging techniques.
 
We ask that the Committee, just because of the existence of our organization, Freedom from Covert Harassment and Surveillance, alone we have thousands of people who have contacted us claiming to be victims of this. Our existence is justification that you should investigate this occurrence further.
 
We need test developed to determine if a citizen has been harmed by a cognitive weapon. These are cognitive weapons that somehow these people are being experimented on with. And just overall, you need to ban the unethical use of science and technology on all citizens for any reason and in any form. Thank you.
 
DR. GUTMANN
Thank you.
 
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
May I put my name on the list?
 
DR. GUTMANN:
I don’t have the list.
 
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
Well what happened was I called in and found out it would be opened up to actually be able to speak to be put on the list. And when I got here, I wasn’t informed that there was a list that I actually had to sign up. I am asking for a minute.
 
DR. GUTMANN
Yes, you may have a minute. We have about five minutes left.
 
FEMALE PARTICIPANT
Okay. Well, I will take five minutes.
 
DR. GUTMANN
No, no.
 
(Laughter.)
 
DR. GUTMANN
If there is somebody else. Okay, thank you.
 
FEMALE PARTICIPANT
I will try.
 
DR. GUTMANN
Absolutely. Thank you.
 
FEMALE PARTICIPANT
As you see, we have, actually this is a minority of us. Approximately let’s say I have spoken to probably 3,000 people. He is on probably 1,500, he is on 5,000. There is a lot of us across the U.S. And there are certain statistics I think that if you find that there is something going on wrong, that you are going on wrong, that somewhere along the line, somebody has to do an investigation. If there is a certain percentage of illness. You do an investigation. If there is a certain amount of cancers in the area, the same as Brockovich went and did the investigation, she found a certain amount. Well, we are presenting our case right now. You said you guys wanted to be in the know. We are giving you the information now so that you are in the know.
 
There is something going on. It is an electromagnetic issue and it has to do with from cell phones all the way to directed energy. And I think yesterday some of the colleagues went ahead and said that we didn’t really talk about whether there is energy weapons or not but I mean, we have thousands and thousands of documentations about energy weapons themselves and all we are asking for is an investigation on this. People are being harmed. People are being tortured and people are being killed. And I think it is a pretty important thing for a bioethics committee to look into. And all we ask today is to please do that. And mark on March first 2011 we came to you and we told you. And I don’t know how many more people. My friends are dead. Tortured to death by electronic weapons and I don’t know how many more people will die. And I hope I will be here again if you have this next year.
 
DR. GUTMANN
Thank you very much.
 
STAFFER
That is the end of the list.
 
DR. GUTMANN
Are we —
 
STAFFER:
That is the end of the list.
 
DR. GUTMANN
Okay. One minute. Thank you.
 
MALE PARTICIPANT
I am going to do the best that I can while being hurt by a national defense weapon that our country built. I love our country but I am in contact and have been with the Chief of the Department of Defense Fraud, Waste and Abuse hotline. He has worked with me and my wife for two years. And he went to the Pentagon after we were aerosoled by a jet at 150 to 200 miles per hour, that being me and my wife. That is why my face is rebuilt and she is at home taking care of a hundred head of cattle with a brain tumor. I have had three removed.
 
I guess my point would be this, is that I stood up to this program, and that would be the joint operations system that our country built with a nonlethal, less than lethal weapons system. And I am the only one known in the world, besides the people that helped build this system, to have this actual pulse on camera and have caught it. And I would like to submit that disk.
 
But I would guess that the one question I would have — It’s okay, Eli. You don’t have to beat me up with the microphone.
 
The one question I would add is first of all, I would like to submit this to you as promptly as possible and then ask each and every one of you that 90 percent of the people that approached you spoke the same way I am, scared but also spoke — They are speaking of directed energy weapons. That was phased out with a nonlethal and less than lethal programs. And we all know that. Most of you do anyways.
 
Would you please help save my life, ma’am?
 
[Audience Applause]
 
DR. GUTMANN
Please submit what you have and we will do what we can. Thank you.
 
MALE PARTICIPANT
And your name?
 
DR. GUTMANN
My name —
 
MALE PARTICIPANT
Yes, ma’am.
 
DR. GUTMANN
— is Dr. Amy Gutmann.
 
MALE PARTICIPANT
Dr. Amy Goodman, I am going to submit that to you and if I die from this, then I am quite sure somebody else will look at the evidence. Thank you for your time.
 
DR. GUTMANN
Thank you.
 
MALE PARTICIPANT
I appreciate it, ma’am.